View Full Version : THE TRADE DEADLINE THREAD
bravos4evr
07-23-2012, 06:30 PM
I figured we needed a sticky thread to discuss all the non braves moves at the deadline:
This just in!!
Ichiro traded to the Yankees for 2 minor league arms
Omar Infante and Anibel Sanchez traded to the Tigers for highly touted arm Jacob Turner as well as Rob Brantley and Brian Flynn (a mid level catching prospect and a big lefty respectively)
I figured we needed a sticky thread to discuss all the non braves moves at the deadline:
This just in!!
Ichiro traded to the Yankees for 2 minor league arms
Omar Infante and Anibel Sanchez traded to the Tigers for highly touted arm Jacob Turner as well as Rob Brantley and Brian Flynn (a mid level catching prospect and a big lefty respectively)
Liked both sides of the Marlins/Tigers deal. Turner is still a pup...just turned 21 so he has a lot he could add in the next couple years. Tigers got a pennant outta this one. Infante plugs a huge hole at 2b for them both on defense and offense. Sanchez is just some very nice added gravy.
Yankees as usual give up nothing but their endless supply of money and get a guy who could turn out to be a nice asset down the stretch. Especially if the sudden impact of being on a winning team after years of losing motivates Ichiro. If not they only lost 4mil on the gamble which is like piggy bank change to them. Wonder if the Yanks will force Ichiro to bat 3rd? LOL
The Rap
07-23-2012, 07:41 PM
If Dempster vetos the deal he can keep his ass in Chicgo for all I care. I would rather keep Delgado
bravos4evr
07-24-2012, 09:20 PM
Wandy Rodriguez to the Pirates, don't know for whom as yet
Chris_Moderato
07-24-2012, 09:53 PM
Wandy Rodriguez to the Pirates, don't know for whom as yet
Yay?
bravos4evr
07-24-2012, 11:26 PM
Dbacks send Ryan Roberts to the Rays for a minor league 2nd baseman
Dodgers grabbed Hanley and Choate from the Marlins in exchange for SP Nathan Eovaldi and another minor minor leaguer.
Sounds like the Marlins were sick and tired of Hanley's diva shtick. Dodgers are responsible for the entire contract, thus for the Marlins it's pretty much a salary dump.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/07/dodgers-acquire-hanley-ramirez-randy-choate.html
bravos4evr
07-25-2012, 03:37 AM
Eovaldi isn't a bad pickup...
good thing is tomorrow the Marlins are gonna be ripe for the pickin
Eovaldi isn't a bad pickup...
good thing is tomorrow the Marlins are gonna be ripe for the pickin
No Choate certainly helps. That guy murdered us out of the pen the other night.
The Rap
07-25-2012, 10:54 AM
A friend asked me yesterday if the Braves would be interested in Hanley as the heir to Chipper at 3B. I said no and called Hanley the "anti-Chipper" as they are so unlike each other.
luvdembravos
07-25-2012, 11:07 AM
The Marlins are already flying a white flag over their new stadium. So sad but expected.
But it does bug me that this dysfunctional franchise has more WS titles than Atlanta even though it has only been around for two decades. The way things are going, the Nationals will have two titles before the Braves. Now that's sad :(
Agent-X-
07-25-2012, 12:14 PM
The Marlins are already flying a white flag over their new stadium. So sad but expected.
But it does bug me that this dysfunctional franchise has more WS titles than Atlanta even though it has only been around for two decades. The way things are going, the Nationals will have two titles before the Braves. Now that's sad :(
They don't even have one yet... and they're not even playing that well. I understand the mood around here with the Braves' continued struggles, but we're only a few games back. There's still a lot of baseball left to play, and plenty of unmet potential on the Braves' roster.
A friend asked me yesterday if the Braves would be interested in Hanley as the heir to Chipper at 3B. I said no and called Hanley the "anti-Chipper" as they are so unlike each other.
Add to it that Hanley and Fredi aren't exactly compatible either.
If Hanley weren't such a diva, we wouldn't be suffering through Fredi Gonzalez right now.
Dreamscape
07-25-2012, 06:07 PM
Add to it that Hanley and Fredi aren't exactly compatible either.
If Hanley weren't such a diva, we wouldn't be suffering through Fredi Gonzalez right now.
Three-way deal
Miami gets Fredi Gonzalez
Tampa Bay gets Ozzie Guillen
Atlanta gets Joe Maddon
Make it happen, Frank!
Three-way deal
Miami gets Fredi Gonzalez
Tampa Bay gets Ozzie Guillen
Atlanta gets Joe Maddon
Make it happen, Frank!
Make the Rays throw in Shields while they're at it. I'll be happy to give them Jack Wilson.
Wahoo
07-25-2012, 09:39 PM
All this trade deadline talk has me trying to recall...when the last time a team made a significant deal at the deadline and actually won it all?
The only team that comes to mind is San Fran and I wouldn't call Cody Ross significant.
All this trade deadline talk has me trying to recall...when the last time a team made a significant deal at the deadline and actually won it all?
The only team that comes to mind is San Fran and I wouldn't call Cody Ross significant.
St. Louis Cardinals last season had no shortstop or leadoff options. They grabbed Furcal and that could be considered "significant" even if he was hurt a bit and didn't hit much overall. It really stablized their infield.
Dreamscape
07-25-2012, 11:50 PM
Orlando Cabrera for the Red Sox in '04 was a pretty big pickup. I guess it depends on your idea of significant. Is the player significant or is improving a weakness significant?
The idea is kind of sound, though. There is just not enough time left in the season for most players acquired in trades to make a significant enough impact on their team. For Greinke to make a difference, it would probably have to come with a long-term deal. Though...who knows?
bravos4evr
07-25-2012, 11:59 PM
I suspect Greinke instead of Jurrjens would be a 4 or 5 win improvement. Not in the classic WAR way of measuring "wins" but in the real world of "how many more games did the Braves win with him pitching instead of Jurrjens"
The Rap
07-26-2012, 02:26 PM
For the life of me I can't understand why Fredi is still the manager with Terry Francona walking around without a managing gig.
The Rap
07-26-2012, 02:27 PM
I also think that behind the scenes Wren is working feverishly to get Greinke in a deal.
bravos4evr
07-28-2012, 12:02 AM
Greinke to the Angels
Marco Scutaro to the Giants
Dreamscape
07-28-2012, 11:10 PM
White Sox acquire Liriano for a pair of minor leaguers.
bravos4evr
07-28-2012, 11:30 PM
White Sox acquire Liriano for a pair of minor leaguers.
Not a bad pickup for them. Price looked fair too. I didn't want him here after ponderin it tho. 5 walks per 9 can get a little irritating to watch
Not a bad pickup for them. Price looked fair too. I didn't want him here after ponderin it tho. 5 walks per 9 can get a little irritating to watch
Yeah...and watching the White Sox shell him in his last start wasn't encouraging either. Sorta gives you that impression that the hot streak might be coming to an end.
In other smaller news, Astros traded Chris Johnson to the D-Backs for Bobby Borchering and Marc Krauss. Average 3B for two sorta interestined outfield prospects. Good trade for both teams, I think. D-Backs badly need production at 3B and the Astros liquidated an average player for two potential useful outfielders.
The Rap
07-30-2012, 06:18 PM
Weird feeling. I didn't want Dempster and don't want Shields. Knew we had no shot at Hamels and was unsure about Liriano so now we end up with none of them. But I am not disappointed at all. Hudson has been solid, Hansen is just ok but still searching for himself, but then we got Sheets who we must pray will stay in one piece because healthy he is a forntline starter. But we also have Minor who seems to have turned it around and we put in Medlen as the 5th starter with Jurrjens banished to being a mop up guy. My thinking is that next year we get Beachy back about mid-season, AVizcaino ready for spring training and both Teheran and Gilmartin probaly taking the step further.
Delgado and Spruill will be part of a package for some offensive help next off-season.
Bottom line is I am happy with Frank Wren for not giving up kids in a Texeira style deal. Tom Glavine's rookie year in 1988 remains a clear memory etched in my mind.
bravos4evr
07-30-2012, 06:25 PM
Deadline ain't over yet
bravos4evr
07-30-2012, 10:29 PM
Reed Johnson and Geovanny Soto traded to unknown team..... my guess is it's the Chiba Lotte Marines
ETA: two separate trades btw, not traded together
Teams are dropping like flies. It's not the giants, pirates or tigers that acquired Johnson. Hoping it was the Braves.
EDIT: Not the Dodgers or Indians either.
Being confirmed that it was the Rangers who acquired Soto. Hopefully they'll report on Johnson soon.
bravos4evr
07-31-2012, 05:47 AM
I hate to be aa know it all nancy, but i got my wish, Reed Johnson is a Brave.
ya know what, to get he and Maholm, we gave up bubkus
bravos4evr
08-03-2012, 05:07 PM
Busy day on the DFA and Waiver fronts:
Johnny Damon DFA'd
Nat's acquire Kurt Suzuki
Dodger's acquire Joe Blanton
Cliff Lee has been claimed off of waivers and now the Phillies must decide if they want to trade him, pull him back or just let his contract go. (if it's one of the 9 teams Lee doesn't have blocked in his contract)
bravos4evr
08-03-2012, 05:07 PM
Busy day on the DFA and Waiver fronts:
Johnny Damon DFA'd
Nat's acquire Kurt Suzuki
Dodger's acquire Joe Blanton
Cliff Lee has been claimed off of waivers and now the Phillies must decide if they want to trade him, pull him back or just let his contract go. (if it's one of the 9 teams Lee doesn't have blocked in his contract)
The Rap
08-05-2012, 03:56 PM
According to Rotoworld the White Sox are not going to pick up Kevin Youklis' option after the season. I wonder if it wouldn't be wise for us to pick him up as Chipper's replacement for a couple of years?
bravos4evr
08-05-2012, 04:53 PM
I thought about that too.... It wouldn't be a horrible pickup IMO, especially if Swisher ends up out of our price range. You could put him at 3rd and use Francisco to fill in here and there too.
-Dr. Brave-
08-05-2012, 10:53 PM
For the money, Francisco would be a better choice than Youk. Given the same amount of playing time, I think their stats would be comparable.
I don't think the Braves would offer enough money to even garner Youkilis' interest.
bravos4evr
08-05-2012, 10:55 PM
I'm not so sure about that Doc, Youk has a much better ability to get on base and hit for avg than Francisco, as far as power goes, sure, but I think Youk would give us a better all around bat
-Dr. Brave-
08-05-2012, 11:05 PM
I'm not so sure about that Doc, Youk has a much better ability to get on base and hit for avg than Francisco, as far as power goes, sure, but I think Youk would give us a better all around bat
Youkilis would hit lefties better, but Francisco has been swinging much better of late. More time with Greg Walker would probably help even more.
Youkilis is barely a .250 hitter nowadays. I think Youkilis' health will continue to deteriorate and would only be worth a risk in the $2M range. Someone else will pay based on his past performance and not what he's likely to produce.
The Rap
08-09-2012, 06:08 PM
I have no idea where you are getting that info from. Youk isn't declining. He got hurt and needed time consuming rehab. I like Gonzales but it would take him a few years to become as knowledgeable a hitter that Youk is.
The Rap
08-09-2012, 06:10 PM
I hate to be aa know it all nancy, but i got my wish, Reed Johnson is a Brave.
ya know what, to get he and Maholm, we gave up bubkus
Are you serious? If Aroldys V comes back to full strength they have a bona fide closer prospect.
Dreamscape
08-09-2012, 08:18 PM
Are you serious? If Aroldys V comes back to full strength they have a bona fide closer prospect.
If Vizcaino only projects as a reliever, the Braves made out like bandits. The scary thing is if he stays healthy and effective as a starter.
If Vizcaino only projects as a reliever, the Braves made out like bandits. The scary thing is if he stays healthy and effective as a starter.
Yeah...and that's what I'm afraid of. Just because he's a reliever now doesn't mean they convert him into a starter later. They did the same with Sammichzilla (albeit, it was previous management who had him relieving). Wouldn't be surprised to see them stretch Vizcaino out and get him into their rotation eventually.
Youkilis would hit lefties better, but Francisco has been swinging much better of late. More time with Greg Walker would probably help even more.
Youkilis is barely a .250 hitter nowadays. I think Youkilis' health will continue to deteriorate and would only be worth a risk in the $2M range. Someone else will pay based on his past performance and not what he's likely to produce.
I will agree on Youkilis that his health will probably be a big factor in the next few seasons and he needs to go somewhere that can DH him (Personally, I'm thinking Rays for some reason...or maybe even the Angels in some weird fashion, but yeah.
However, I don't agree that Rice-A-Roni is a good option to start in 2013. Despite improvement, he's still probably a .240-.250 hitter and he's not going to have an OBP over .300 hitting like that. He's not patient enough and I don't feel he's going to "develop" it at this point in his career. Not to mention, he's still somewhat of a liability with the glove.
Prado is easily the best option at this point. Move him into the infield and go find yourself an outfielder in an absolutely flooded outfield market whether that be free agency or trade. If not Prado, the team should look into better options than both The Juan Francisco Treat and the Greek God of Walks. Pay up to get Chase Headley from the Padres is the only obvious option otherwise.
-Dr. Brave-
08-10-2012, 03:30 AM
I have no idea where you are getting that info from. Youk isn't declining. He got hurt and needed time consuming rehab. I like Gonzales but it would take him a few years to become as knowledgeable a hitter that Youk is.
What I said was that his health is declining. When he's healthy, he's still a weapon offensively. But I question his ability to stay healthy. Back, hip, groin, hamstring, knee, and ankle issues don't normally just go away for players his age; they tend to recur.
You're making it sound like Youkilis had one significant injury. In fact, he's been riddled with injuries the last three years. This will be the third straight year he's missed more than a quarter of the season. Sounds a lot like another third baseman we know.
So what it boils down to is whether Youkilis can play at a high level even when he's banged up. Based on his stats the last two years, I have my doubts.
I agree with BFH that Prado is the best option for third base. But if I have one roster spot to give to either Francisco or Youkilis, I'm giving it to Francisco... unless we can get Youkilis for far below market value.
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