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What are your thoughts on him? Love him, hate him, just don't care...
Personally I can't stand Tommy Hanson and I don't think that he's anywhere near the ace that people think he is. I find him to be ridiculously overrated and I'm glad that Eric O'F got the win. Most people here now hate me.
Agent-X-
06-09-2009, 01:45 PM
I don't hate you. You're entitled to root for anyone you like.
However, I wouldn't mind if your thread topic was a little more descriptive so I knew what I was about to read. Something like "Tommy Hanson is Overrated. Who agrees with me??" would be acceptable.
Welcome to the site, btw!
luvdembravos
06-09-2009, 01:47 PM
No, you'll only be hated if your next post professes your love for Jeff Francoeur.
Thanks. I didn't put the topic like that because I'm intrested in what other Braves fans opinions are. I see where you are coming from though.
No, you'll only be hated if your next post professes your love for Jeff Francoeur.
Why would I do that? I love the Bravos! Francoeur in my opinion has a lot of potential but not with the Braves. It just doesn't mesh.
Brian McCann...now thats a whole different story. Between him and Chipper I have hope for the Braves.
Dreamscape
06-09-2009, 01:52 PM
My name is Tommy. His name is Tommy.
Therefore...he is accepted.
This same logic applies for Tommy Tutone.
Lauren T.
06-09-2009, 01:58 PM
I think he looks too much like Chipper for me to like him yet. We'll see.
(Hey, my first Chipper-hate post on the new board! :D)
Dreamscape
06-09-2009, 02:00 PM
I think he looks too much like Chipper for me to like him yet. We'll see.
(Hey, my first Chipper-hate post on the new board! :D)
And we don't hate you for hating Chipper.
Well, some of us don't...
IkeWagner
06-09-2009, 02:07 PM
Personally I can't stand Tommy Hanson and I don't think that he's anywhere near the ace that people think he is.
And why do you think this?
barvos4evr
06-09-2009, 02:16 PM
Hmmm, first start he just mows guys down. Then gives up HR's to two big time MLB power hitters...... all in his first ever start!
I project him to be a 20 win , 1.10 WHIP, 200+ K's guy! Seriously!
The above statement is just as ridiculous as assuming he's a bust due to one start also!
And why do you think this?
Just gut which doesn't actually mean much. I simply don't care for him but if he winds up being amazing.. I'll be happy to be wrong.
Hobbes
06-09-2009, 03:34 PM
Were you a member at the old place THSC? If so, what was your screen name?
Were you a member at the old place THSC? If so, what was your screen name?
I'm told the old place is the old chopnation. I was but only very briefly. I left after a run in with a more colorful character.
barvos4evr
06-09-2009, 04:01 PM
Was it me? Or an even more colorful one?
Was it me? Or an even more colorful one?
Haha even more colorful, htough I'm sure you'd have been interesting.
BigWorm
06-09-2009, 05:43 PM
I'm told the old place is the old chopnation. I was but only very briefly. I left after a run in with a more colorful character.
Well welcome back. I think that Tommy Hanson is the real deal. Every scout in the Braves organization raves about him. He's got three plus pitches, his fastball maxes out in the high 90's. He's got very good control, and a great demeanor.
If you can't get excited about Tommy Hanson, that's fine. I'm positive he will earn your respect over the next five years. He hasn't done anything at the major league level yet, but I expect huge things from Mr. Hanson in the near future.
Look up his Arizona Fall League stats, maybe that will help you get that loving feeling.
Well welcome back. I think that Tommy Hanson is the real deal. Every scout in the Braves organization raves about him. He's got three plus pitches, his fastball maxes out in the high 90's. He's got very good control, and a great demeanor.
If you can't get excited about Tommy Hanson, that's fine. I'm positive he will earn your respect over the next five years. He hasn't done anything at the major league level yet, but I expect huge things from Mr. Hanson in the near future.
Look up his Arizona Fall League stats, maybe that will help you get that loving feeling.
AZ fall league.. really oughta check that out sometiome and make use of living here. Regardless my dislike of Tommy Hanson is more from not liking him as a person. I don't like him as a Brave. I'm sure he'll be a great player for the game in itself.
BigWorm
06-09-2009, 08:24 PM
I met him at Turner Field during an autograph session before the season started, he was really nice to everyone in line. Did he do something to you ? Or as Andy would say "do you not just like his face"?
Agent-X-
06-09-2009, 09:08 PM
AZ fall league.. really oughta check that out sometiome and make use of living here. Regardless my dislike of Tommy Hanson is more from not liking him as a person. I don't like him as a Brave. I'm sure he'll be a great player for the game in itself.
So which of our division rivalries did you say you were a fan of? I can't remember.
I met him at Turner Field during an autograph session before the season started, he was really nice to everyone in line. Did he do something to you ? Or as Andy would say "do you not just like his face"?
I'm not a fan of suggestive comments when I go to a ball game. I'm there for the baseball.
So which of our division rivalries did you say you were a fan of? I can't remember.
I'm confused as to what you mean.
Devil Wears Prado
06-10-2009, 03:17 AM
So I was talking with someone on another forum today, and he was also knocking on Hanson. What's the deal with the haters nowadays? They're comin' out of no where! Anyways, he said "A lot of people don't even consider Tommy Hanson the #1 Pitching prospect in Atlanta". He claims Julio Teheran is #1...
I'm confused as to what you mean.
The poster was being sarcastic. He is saying that you don't seem like a Braves fan because you are knocking on Tommy Hanson, so you must be either a Mets, Phillies, Nationals, etc. fan. It's hard not to disagree with him when you're criticizing Hanson who, in many eyes, is regarded as one of the best prospects to come out of Atlanta's farm system in a long time.
Dreamscape
06-10-2009, 08:11 AM
Depends on your definition of prospect, I guess. If by ultimate potential, sure, Julio Teheren might be number one because of his amazing fastball. But if you value production as part of what makes a prospect noteworthy, it's really no context. Teheren needs to start mowing down batters before he makes my top five.
Agent-X-
06-10-2009, 11:48 AM
I'm confused as to what you mean.
My bad. It was late for me. I meant, which division rival were you a fan of? :D
My bad. It was late for me. I meant, which division rival were you a fan of? :D
Ooohhh I get it. Nope I'm a Braves fan through and through (though I've tried before not to be. I failed miserably). I simply don't believe Hanson is the Second Coming like so man seem to. Like I said previously I'd lov to be wrong. Hanson it's all just cause he rubs me the wrong way.
barvos4evr
06-10-2009, 06:36 PM
Why does he rub you the wrong way?
Devil Wears Prado
06-10-2009, 08:36 PM
This is what one critic says about Hanson. I'm just learning now that it's quite pointless to argue baseball with someone that has no idea what they're talking about. Enjoy...
If I say I just watched the replay of his game against the Brewers on Sunday on MLB.tv. then I did.
Proof?
Craig Counsell crushes a hanging slider in his first at-bat.
David Ross calls for a fastball down (and usually in) and Hanson flies open and Ryan Braun jacks it.
He throws his change up maybe twice or three times the whole outing.
His fastball is anywhere from 92-97 mph.
His slider is 82-87 mph
His curve was at about 77 mph
On the rare occasion that he located his slider it snapped in on lefties and away from righties. It looked best when he kept it low and outside to righties. He almost never threw anything but a fastball with 2 strikes-- he tried the curve once and it was way outside (to prince fielder) and then the slider (missed again) and then Fielder crushed his straight fastball.
He has no out pitch. His fastball is straight and probably more like 90-94 on a real gun (thus resulting in Parra smashing it). His slider is tight occasionally but he is overcompensating and trying to overthrow it (thus resulting in a bum like Counsell almost hitting it out). His curve was effective (as was his slider occasionally when located correctly) as a first pitch strike. One of the curves he threw absolutely buckled Counsell's knees. That doesn't counteract the fact that he is scared to throw his breaking pitches with 2 strikes.
Composure? He looked like he was moping to me.
Anyway.
Secondary sources?
I use one and it's well known that I do:
"Dug out of the late rounds of the 2005 draft as a draft-and-follow, Hanson has emerged as the Braves top pitching prospect. A big righty with a four-pitch-assortment (fastball, curve, slider, change), he excelled in Double-A last year for the Southern League champions and flat-out dominated the Arizona Fall League. Some of his minor league career numbers- 10.4 K/9, 1.09 WHIP, 6.5 H/9- are mouthwatering, but he's just shy of ace material, as he lacks one unhittable pitch. The Braves would be wise to give Hanson a few starts at Triple-A to start the year, but he could get big-league hitters out now and should mature into a front-end stalwart for the next contending Braves team's rotation."
BP 2009
"Whoops! (Just kidding.) Hanson was part of the last class of draft-and-follows in 2005. Last yeaer, the big righty led the organization in strikeouts, although his home-run rate was notably high for his levels, particularly the half season he pitched at Myrtle Beach. His size and mid-90s fastball mean he'll get lots of chances."
BP 2008
Now let me ask you, scout, why do you think he has been homer prone? Could it be a straight fastball and the inability or confidence to locate secondary pitches?
Andy G.
06-10-2009, 09:05 PM
Yeah. Hanson sucks. He's never going to do well in the majors. The only reason he's been hyped up so much is because he throws hard, and that guy is the only person in the world that knows throwing hard isn't enough in the majors.
Devil Wears Prado
06-10-2009, 09:57 PM
This is so frustrating. I know I should just stop talking to him but I hate when idiots try to talk about baseball and try to show me up.
http://www.operationsports.com/forums/scea-sports-mlb-rosters/324346-knight-tommy-hanson-3.html#post2039685386
There's the whole topic.
Andy G.
06-10-2009, 10:39 PM
This is so frustrating. I know I should just stop talking to him but I hate when idiots try to talk about baseball and try to show me up.
http://www.operationsports.com/forums/scea-sports-mlb-rosters/324346-knight-tommy-hanson-3.html#post2039685386
There's the whole topic.
Yeah that guy isn't too bright. Everything you said was spot on.
KB 34
06-10-2009, 11:00 PM
It amazes me how much people like to analyze a player's first major league appearance. I shook my head when I saw Hanson's line for the game because I knew stuff like this was coming. Over his next few starts we'll get a better idea of how major league ready he is. For now it was an unpredictable first start as all are.
Lauren T.
06-11-2009, 09:07 AM
...Hanson it's all just cause he rubs me the wrong way.Why does he rub you the wrong way?
I'm not THSC, but I also don't lurve Tommy Hanson. It's his face. It looks like Donnie Wahlberg and Chipper Jones had a baby together and it somehow came out with red hair. I don't like it. Will Ohman didn't have a pretty face, but he was hilarious, so that more than made up for it. If you don't have a nice face and you're a c o c k y *** and you don't amuse me, I'm probably not going to like you. *shrug*
ETA: I wasn't using the word "c o c k y" in reference to a male organ, but the new software blocked the first four letters anyway.
Hobbes
06-11-2009, 09:50 AM
Tweaked the censor, and cocky works now. So judge away. :p
absintheofmalaise
06-11-2009, 10:42 AM
Dan Brooks over at brooksbaseball.net (http://www.brooksbaseball.net/pfx/index.php?s_type=2&sp_type=1&batterX=0&inning1=y&inning2=y&inning3=y&inning4=y&inning5=y&inning6=y&inning7=y&inning8=y&inning9=y&month=06&day=07&game=gid_2009_06_07_milmlb_atlmlb_1%2F&year=2009&pitchSel=462102.xml&prevGame=gid_2009_06_07_milmlb_atlmlb_1%2F) has a the pitch f/x graphs up for the Hanson game. You can go in there an change the views. This gives you an excellent idea about what Hanson was throwing and how the pitches were breaking from inning to inning.
Much better than using that crap from BP.
You can look up any game that has the cameras set up on his site.
I'm curious here. Do people have to actually like a player as a person, not that anyone actually knows them, in order to like them as a player?
Lauren T.
06-11-2009, 11:56 AM
I'm curious here. Do people have to actually like a player as a person, not that anyone actually knows them, in order to like them as a player?
For me, the answer is almost always yes. Frenchy and McCann were very funny and friendly when I met them (not in an autograph situation), so I like them more. Buddy Carlyle called a friend of mine a "fatass", so I don't like him as much. My reasons for disliking Chipper are all based on how he treated me through charity work and how he treated one of my family members and his wife at a charity event.
Is Chipper a good ballplayer? Yes. Do I "like" him? No.
Is Frenchy a good ballplayer? Not right now. Do I "like" him? Yes. He amuses me. :D
absintheofmalaise
06-11-2009, 12:17 PM
So you can't separate the two? Does that mean you would be sad if Francoeur got traded away? Personally, I don't care what a player is like off the field if he's a good one on it. Pujols didn't give my kid an autograph, but I love to watch him play. Do you like Lowe? I know some interesting things about him.
Agent-X-
06-11-2009, 12:18 PM
For me, the answer is almost always yes. Frenchy and McCann were very funny and friendly when I met them (not in an autograph situation), so I like them more. Buddy Carlyle called a friend of mine a "fatass", so I don't like him as much. My reasons for disliking Chipper are all based on how he treated me through charity work and how he treated one of my family members and his wife at a charity event.
Is Chipper a good ballplayer? Yes. Do I "like" him? No.
Is Frenchy a good ballplayer? Not right now. Do I "like" him? Yes. He amuses me. :D
Lauren, there is a tremendous difference between liking a person and liking a player. At least as far as it goes for men. There are people I really like in MLB, and I do root for them. But I don't like them as players and really don't want them on the Braves. I could go as far as to rather have Jackass McGonnaKnockTheBallOutofThePark than Jimmy ImaGoodGuy striking out in the midst of a prolific game.
I'll go have a drink with Jimmy ImaGoodGuy and console his team's loss while being thrilled with Jackass for putting Jimmy's team out of contention. ;)
Lauren T.
06-11-2009, 12:28 PM
So you can't separate the two? Does that mean you would be sad if Francoeur got traded away? Personally, I don't care what a player is like off the field if he's a good one on it. Pujols didn't give my kid an autograph, but I love to watch him play. Do you like Lowe? I know some interesting things about him.
"Sad" if F got traded, no. As for Lowe: he is a good player, and I know all about the affair and his current wife. I've not had any personal dealings with him, so I don't have a strong opinion on whether or not I like him. I'm not judging him based on the affair any more than I judge Chipper on the Hooters baby or Glavine with his very public Alyssa Milano-in-NY affair. They all screw around. All of them. You'd hate everyone if you judged them based on that.
Lauren, there is a tremendous difference between liking a person and liking a player. At least as far as it goes for men.
Exactly. Women are not always able to separate their personal experience with someone and the person's performance. This is one of the reasons so many top executives are NOT women.
They all screw around. All of them. You'd hate everyone if you judged them based on that.
Unfair assessment. I'm sure there are some very loyal people that play baseball. I'm not going to say how many... but some.
Agent-X-
06-11-2009, 12:45 PM
unfair assessment. I'm sure there are some very loyal people that play baseball. I'm not going to say how many... But some.
qft
Lauren T.
06-11-2009, 01:18 PM
Excuse me for using a hyperbole. :rolleyes: Okay, let me put it this way. My blog attracts between 10,000 and 15,000 unique readers per month, mostly women, and I've heard a LOT of stories. The only Braves I've heard are faithful (and haven't heard anything contrary) are Matt Diaz and Jeff Bennett.
Hobbes
06-11-2009, 02:13 PM
As Chris Rock jokes: "A man is only as faithful as his options." Baseball players have a lot of options. :D
barvos4evr
06-11-2009, 03:57 PM
Excuse me for using a hyperbole. :rolleyes: Okay, let me put it this way. My blog attracts between 10,000 and 15,000 unique readers per month, mostly women, and I've heard a LOT of stories. The only Braves I've heard are faithful (and haven't heard anything contrary) are Matt Diaz and Jeff Bennett.
Yeah but women are bat****e crazy.....;)
Chris_Moderato
06-11-2009, 05:08 PM
So...Tommy Hanson?
Lauren T.
06-12-2009, 09:52 AM
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd105/Braves_Love/Braves%20vs%20Pirates%206-9-09/th_P1090461.jpg (http://s224.photobucket.com/albums/dd105/Braves_Love/Braves%20vs%20Pirates%206-9-09/?action=view¤t=P1090461.jpg)
Looks like a Wahlberg to me. :D
luvdembravos
06-12-2009, 01:01 PM
Excuse me for using a hyperbole. :rolleyes: Okay, let me put it this way. My blog attracts between 10,000 and 15,000 unique readers per month, mostly women, and I've heard a LOT of stories. The only Braves I've heard are faithful (and haven't heard anything contrary) are Matt Diaz and Jeff Bennett.
I find that hard to believe as the Braves have proven time and time again this season that they have no clue on how to use their sticks.
Agent-X-
06-12-2009, 01:10 PM
I also find that very hard to believe as they've shown difficulty scoring even when given a free pass.
The only guy who has really shown any ability to make it home is Chipper Jones.
Middle Man
06-12-2009, 02:50 PM
......
The only guy who has really shown any ability to make it home is Chipper Jones.
Well, most likely that's only because he swings both ways.
BigWorm
06-12-2009, 05:21 PM
Quick Prediction for tonight against Baltimore
7IP
5 Hits
1 ER
8 SO
Gets the Win baby!
slowride
06-12-2009, 05:22 PM
Quick Prediction for tonight against Baltimore
7IP
5 Hits
1 ER
8 SO
Gets the Win baby!
Gonzo scoreless 8th
Soriano scoreless 9th
He gets the loss 1-0
HaRdCoReBrAvEsFaN
06-12-2009, 05:28 PM
21 K's! ok maybe not, but I expect better then boarderline Quality Start...
absintheofmalaise
06-12-2009, 11:26 PM
Hanson's Pitch f/x information is up on brooksbaseball.net (http://www.brooksbaseball.net/pfx/index.php?month=6&day=12&year=2009&game=gid_2009_06_12_atlmlb_balmlb_1%2F&pitchSel=462102.xml&prevGame=gid_2009_06_12_atlmlb_balmlb_1%2F&prevDate=612)
One thing that strikes me is how consistent his release point is on all his pitches. One thing that pedro martinez did that made him so effective was his ability to make his arm motion and release point the same on every pitch he threw. Deception is one of the keys to being an effective pitcher and Hanson is deceptive.
Agent-X-
06-13-2009, 09:15 AM
One really bright note from Hanson's game last night is... that in spite of all the hits and walks he gave up early in the game, he did not fold. He made it into the sixth inning.
I like that. Other rookie pitchers might have gotten crushed.
warefreak
06-17-2009, 01:57 AM
The best part about Hanson is the fact that for once I look forward to the Braves future. With Jurrjens, Hanson, Medlin, Tehearen... we've got 4 very good prospects to build our rotation around. We just need to sign them long term when the opportunity presents itself. I'm sorry, but the kid is a stud and 99.9999999% of all baseball analysts can't be wrong about this guy and his potential.
With that in mind if we are 10 gb come all star break I fully expect the braves front office to clean house and start trading older players like Lowe, Javier, etc for prospects. I don't believe our future is now, not with our only two bats at C and a very old third baseman.
barvos4evr
06-17-2009, 03:33 AM
I tell ya, I have been a doomsayer as much as anyone about this team, however, I am uber confident in our young pitching!!!! I think that Jurrijens, Hanson, and even Medlen have THE mental makeup to be great pitchers. They have the ability to forget what just happened and focus on what may happen. That, IMO, is what seperates the elite from the masses....
Lauren T.
06-17-2009, 08:21 AM
Hanson did a video interview (http://www.ajc.com/video/content/video/?bcpid=1659825399&bclid=22594788001&bctid=26490279001) with the AJC, posted yesterday. He's not the most interesting interview -- watch the rest of the guys! :D
Freddy_Ballgame
06-18-2009, 04:48 PM
Hanson pitched some good ball today, shutting out the Reds for six innings. He looked like a pitcher. With some quality instruction he should be a fine pitcher.
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