2009 Around the League Rolling Discussion

[sdp]

You know what to do.

[Lauren T.]

I'm glad to see Blaine got picked up by the D-Backs. Maybe he'll turn it around faster if he's with a team that doesn't have very high expectations. ;)

[sdp]

I'm glad to see Blaine got picked up by the D-Backs. Maybe he'll turn it around faster if he's with a team that doesn't have very high expectations. ;)

Looks like he may be on the city-to-city rollercoaster for a while unless he can settle in somewhere and put up decent numbers. Best of luck to him.

[Middle Man]

Lidge news (http://www.philly.com/inquirer/breaking/sports_breaking/20090609_Lidge_goes_on_disabled_list.html)


"Righthander Brad Lidge was placed on the 15-day disabled list with a sprained right knee, retroactive to June 7, the Phillies said today.

To take his spot on the 25-man roster, the Phillies selected the contract of catcher Paul Bako from double-A Reading...."

Yes, that Paul Bako. Weird.

[Lauren T.]

Aww, I used to like Paul Bako. I almost always love our catchers...even Corky grew on me a little (after he beat McCann in the footrace).

[KB 34]

From the looks of his numbers Bako has fallen even more. Good for him finding teams desperate enough to give him a job.

[Devil Wears Prado]

I hear our old buddy Morton will be starting for the Pirates tomorrow. Good luck, Charlie!

ATLANTA -- Though Pirates manager John Russell reiterated earlier on Tuesday that Jeff Karstens will make his scheduled start on Wednesday, the Pirates have now decided to hand the ball to recently acquired right-hander Charlie Morton.

According to two sources, Morton will be recalled from Triple-A Indianapolis on Wednesday to take Karstens' spot in the rotation. The fact that Karstens was needed in relief during Monday's 15-inning affair could be playing a role in this decision. But it's no secret that the Pirates were already looking for a way to get Morton into the big league mix.

Pittsburgh is expected to send left-hander Tom Gorzelanny back to Indianapolis, where he can re-enter the Indians' rotation. Karstens would then provide the Pirates with a long-inning option out of the bullpen.

Morton was one of three prospects the Pirates received in last week's trade with Atlanta. With the Braves' Triple-A affiliate, Morton went 7-2 with a 2.51 ERA in 10 starts to begin the year.

Wednesday will mark Morton's first appearance in the Majors this year, though he will be quite familiar with the team he faces. Morton made his Major League debut for the Braves last season and eventually finished the year 4-8 with a 6.15 ERA in 16 appearances (15 starts).

[the eternAl optimist]

Aww, I used to like Paul Bako. I almost always love our catchers...even Corky grew on me a little (after he beat McCann in the footrace).


I liked Brayan Pena, he gave me a ball during a game once so I may be a little biased but he was a nice guy and a good backup, anyway he is starting for the Royals lately! I think he's filling in while thier guy is injured but still nice to see him getting a chance to play.

[sdp]

Re: Raul Ibanez

I think Raul Ibanez deserves the all the PEDs speculation in the world. It's not ideal but that's the situation professional baseball players find themselves in.

Ibanez is 37-years-old. He has hit more than 23 homers exactly once in his career and that was in 2006 when he hit 33. Through 58 games in 2009, Ibanez already has 21 homers and is on pace to hit between 48-52 homers. Yeah, I'll say he deserves a raised eyebrow.

[Hillbilly]

Re: Raul Ibanez

I think Raul Ibanez deserves the all the PEDs speculation in the world. It's not ideal but that's the situation professional baseball players find themselves in.

Ibanez is 37-years-old. He has hit more than 23 homers exactly once in his career and that was in 2006 when he hit 33. Through 58 games in 2009, Ibanez already has 21 homers and is on pace to hit between 48-52 homers. Yeah, I'll say he deserves a raised eyebrow.


He also went from Safeco Field to "Cittizins" Bank Park. Haven't looked at the home/road splits, but I would think that's got to make a significant difference.

[Middle Man]

I don't know. It's hard to believe that a veteran player would pick this time to start PED use. Aren't the players getting random drug tests now and so forth? Is there an assumption that PED use is still widespread? Is it still that easy to mask PED use or are there lots of PEDs that aren't detected in drug tests or what?

[absintheofmalaise]

I don't know. It's hard to believe that a veteran player would pick this time to start PED use. Aren't the players getting random drug tests now and so forth? Is there an assumption that PED use is still widespread? Is it still that easy to mask PED use or are there lots of PEDs that aren't detected in drug tests or what?
The chemists are always ahead of the testers. They always will be.

In other news, Girardi is a moron and for that I am thankful. He should have put Rivera in last night in the 8th instead of the corpse he put out there. It was the highest lev situation in the game with the best hitters coming up. Rivera hadn't pitched in two days. Sure, the Sox have hit Rivera pretty well, but he had a much better chance of keeping the MFYs ahead last night. He's useless in the pen watching the other team get the lead. You always put in your best reliever in the highest lev situation.
Thank you for being a moron Mr. Girardi

Sincerely,
A Red Sox Fan

[Andy G.]

I don't know. It's hard to believe that a veteran player would pick this time to start PED use. Aren't the players getting random drug tests now and so forth? Is there an assumption that PED use is still widespread? Is it still that easy to mask PED use or are there lots of PEDs that aren't detected in drug tests or what?
Rafael Palmero used them in a time when he knew the witch hunt had begun, because he was having a terrible start without them. There's a lot of incredibly dumb people in the world, and some of them are baseball players.

What's up with Miguel Tejada, by the way? I'm pretty sure he used steroids in the past, is he using again now? His spike in production is ridiculous.

[sdp]

Oh, my.

http://mlb.mlb.com/media/video.jsp?content_id=5022753&c_id=mlb

They'll pin it all on Castillo and rightfully so, but I guess its the price the Mets pay for having a closer who makes every save situation a nail biter.

[OF&S]

Oh, my.

http://mlb.mlb.com/media/video.jsp?content_id=5022753&c_id=mlb

They'll pin it all on Castillo and rightfully so, but I guess its the price the Mets pay for having a closer who makes every save situation a nail biter.

This was ALL on Castillo. K-Rod got ARod to pop up to 2B and the MLBallplayer didn't use TWO HANDS!!!

[OF&S]

Betemit got assigned to AAA.

[sdp]

Finally got MLB Network. Love it.

I watched NLCS Game 5 today, the game when Pujols owned Lidge when the Astros were one out from a WS berth. They showed replays of Berkman's grand slam off Farnsworthless--brought back bad memories.

[hoosjon]

Finally got MLB Network. Love it.

Greatest invention since HDTV for me to enjoy baseball. Absolutely LOVE watching highlights that don't switch over to the latest NHL playoff or NBA playoff game ... that ... just ... seem ... to ... drag ... on ... for ... ev ... er...

In the off-season, they have old games and shows like Prime 9 that are exactly like the conversation you have with your boys out at a sports bar on a slow night! Awesome!

[hoosjon]

Aww, I used to like Paul Bako. I almost always love our catchers...even Corky grew on me a little (after he beat McCann in the footrace).

Now McCann is our base-stealing machine. 2 on the year.

Srsly tho ... Corky? Really? You could pinch-hit a left-handed relief specialist for him and get a better shot at a sac fly or at least avoiding a double play ...

Now Javy Lopez. That's about the only Braves catcher I put NEAR McCann status in the last 25 years.

[Lauren T.]

hoosjon, you'll learn that my Braves Love (har har) isn't always relevant to their on-field ability. I'm mostly concerned with how cute they are, how they act off the field, and how much they amuse me. Hustle and finesse on the field also weigh in to the factor. :D

[Hobbes]

hoosjon, you'll learn that my Braves Love (har har) isn't always relevant to their on-field ability. I'm mostly concerned with how cute they are, how they act off the field, and how much they amuse me. Hustle and finesse on the field also weigh in to the factor. :D
And it helps if they have a big butt. :D

[Lauren T.]

hoosjon, you'll learn that my Braves Love (har har) isn't always relevant to their on-field ability. I'm mostly concerned with how cute they are, how they act off the field, and how much they amuse me. Hustle and finesse on the field also weigh in to the factor. :DAnd it helps if they have a big butt. :D
Totally! Also, if they look cuddly (Fielder) or like I need to feed them a good Southern meal (Morton), those will factor in as well.

[Dreamscape]

Was reading the Yahoo Sports' Trading Deadline Preview and saw a little nugget that interested me. Since Jason Marquis arrived in the majors, he has never missed the playoffs. Granted, if the Rockies don't deal him, that streak will end, but it was interesting to read.

[absintheofmalaise]

Once Acta is fired, the rumor is, and I don't have a source, is that Bobby Valentine is in line to be the next NatsTown! manager. That would be high comedy.

[IkeWagner]

Once Acta is fired, the rumor is, and I don't have a source, is that Bobby Valentine is in line to be the next NatsTown! manager. That would be high comedy.

It'd be interesting if he chose to leave Japanese baseball, which he seems to really love.

[luvdembravos]

Was reading the Yahoo Sports' Trading Deadline Preview and saw a little nugget that interested me. Since Jason Marquis arrived in the majors, he has never missed the playoffs. Granted, if the Rockies don't deal him, that streak will end, but it was interesting to read.


That's an interesting tidbit and reminds me of David Justice's great playoff run with the Braves, Indians, Yankees and A's from 1991 to 2002 (even though he missed the playoffs in '96). All those playoffs and Halle Berry too...Justice was the man!

[luvdembravos]

I’m looking forward to watching Smoltzie pitch tonight even though it’s going to be weird seeing # 29 in a Red Sox uniform. No doubt the man is going to do well for the Sox down the stretch because after all, he’s John Smoltz!

"It will be a success," said Smoltz. "I came back with this mind-set. It ain't about stories, it ain't about being able to say I can do it again. This is about pitching and getting hitters out. The end result is going to be that. And in three, four, five starts from now, I think you'll see why I feel the way I do."

[Hillbilly]

Greatest invention since HDTV for me to enjoy baseball. Absolutely LOVE watching highlights that don't switch over to the latest NHL playoff or NBA playoff game ... that ... just ... seem ... to ... drag ... on ... for ... ev ... er...

In the off-season, they have old games and shows like Prime 9 that are exactly like the conversation you have with your boys out at a sports bar on a slow night! Awesome!


I see they've landed Ken Rosenthal (http://www.bizofbaseball.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=3369:ken-rosethal-joins-mlb-network-will-keep-fox-sports-duties&catid=48:ei-) at the MLB Network, now. They've put together quite a cast of experts in 7 months time. I've especially enjoyed Bob Costas, and he had a really good interview with Bruce Froemming, Don Denkinger, and Steve Palermo lastnight. They told some really funny stories about their experiences with different players and managers. It was interesting to see the umpire's perspective for a change.

Denkinger told a good one on Lou Pinella. Lou was batting and Denkinger called a strike on the corner. Lou asked "Where was that pitch at?" and DD replied, "Lou don't you know your not supposed to end a sentence with a preposition?" Lou got settled back in the batter's box and before the next pitch he called for time, backed out of the box, and said "O.K., where was that pitch at, A**hole?" :D

[Dreamscape]

Total lift of a line from With Honors. I'm glad Lou and I enjoy the same movies.

[bravos4evr]

I'm kinda surprised that Derosa to the Cards isn't news on here...

[Lauren T.]

I'm still in mourning.

ETA: I don't care what uniform he rocks, he's still HOT.

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/021Yeia5acdaN/300x.jpg

[Chris_Moderato]

Jesus, what a ham DeRosa is. Look at that guy!

[Lauren T.]

That picture was taken while he "wait[ed] to be introduced at a news conference" on Sunday (link (http://www.daylife.com/photo/021Yeia5acdaN)). So is that his regular "I'm waiting" stance? If so, my suspicions are correct -- he knows exactly how hot he is.

[Middle Man]

When I saw that picture I couldn't decide if his expression was "Hey, look at me, I'm auditioning for GQ' or "Damn, I can't believe I got traded again. I'm so tired of this crap."

[luvdembravos]

It's definitely the GQ look.

[Dreamscape]

Mets with a chance to get back to .500 in Pittsburgh...the Pirates beat up Tim Redding, go up 5-0 headed to the fourth. Mets answer with eight runs over the next three innings to go 8-5. Pirates get a run in the seventh and Adam LaRoche hits a two-run bomb off K-Rod and they are all tied up in the ninth.

[Dreamscape]

K-Rod out of the ninth after 30 pitches. Mets only have Bobby Parnell in the pen if I'm correct.

[JanShan12]

Smoltz losing 5-0 in his start for the Red Sox tonight.

[bravos4evr]

Phillies are being considered the front runners in the roy Halladay sweepstakes.... that would be very very bad for the Braves chances of contending this year unless we got a monster bat. Like El Caballo monster.

[sdp]

Andruw Jones went deep THREE times last night... in Anaheim.

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090708&content_id=5769246&vkey=recap&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb

[Gman]

Andruw Jones went deep THREE times last night... in Anaheim.

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090708&content_id=5769246&vkey=recap&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb

Great to see Andruw doing well for the Texas Braves. He could have been a valuable addition for the Braves for cheap. But to be honest, it's hard to imagine TP would have righted Andruw's ship since he doesn't have a track record for doing that with anyone yet.

The amazing thing to me in the article was that Andruw got three fastballs, one on the first pitch and the other two came when the pitchers were actually ahead in the count! Amazing.....apparently scouting reports from the NL are ignored in the AL.

[Hillbilly]

The amazing thing to me in the article was that Andruw got three fastballs, one on the first pitch and the other two came when the pitchers were actually ahead in the count! Amazing.....apparently scouting reports from the NL are ignored in the AL.

I was watching live when he hit his 3rd. The 1-2 pitch was a breaking ball low and away...the same pitch we painfully watched him wiff on so many times in 06-07, but lastnight he spat on it to even the count. It was almost like the pitcher was tipping his pitches, because as I mentioned in another thread (http://www.chopnation.com/boards/showpost.php?p=4048&postcount=348), I'm pretty sure I saw Andruw smile and wink just before he delivered the 2-2 pitch, which was the HR pitch. Also Hank Blaylock followed with a double off the wall, and Marlon Byrd follwed that with a home run, so maybe they picked up on something.

[luvdembravos]

Manny Acta got the ax last night in Washington. Nice fellow and very patient … but I really don’t know how good a manager he was because the Nats’ front office never gave him much to work with.

The Nats can hit and that’s about it. Spotty starting pitching, absolutely no bullpen and terrible defense: A typical Jim Bowden-Built ball club. Acta’s only 40 so I’m sure there’s a place in baseball for him somewhere but I doubt he’ll ever manage in the Big Leagues again.

[Dreamscape]

I would love for the Braves to bring Acta in, but I doubt he would mesh with the "fly by the seat of your pants" crowd the Braves currently employ.

[Hobbes]

Looks like Pedro Martinez is going to sign with the Phillies. (http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/9807358/Report:-Pedro-to-sign-with-Phillies-on-Wednesday)

I don't think he'll be much help for them, but it might mean Halladay will go elsewhere.

[Wahoo]

Manny Acta got the ax last night in Washington. Nice fellow and very patient … but I really don’t know how good a manager he was because the Nats’ front office never gave him much to work with.

The Nats can hit and that’s about it. Spotty starting pitching, absolutely no bullpen and terrible defense: A typical Jim Bowden-Built ball club. Acta’s only 40 so I’m sure there’s a place in baseball for him somewhere but I doubt he’ll ever manage in the Big Leagues again.

Yeah, he'd be my first choice as Braves manager, but I'll tell you, I think this move was merely a figurative "cleaning house." Acta was a Jim Bowden hire and the organization is looking to rid itself of every Bowden fingerprint possible.

[wordslayer©]

what about dave trembley? Brutal division, helluva lot worse team than ours, and has them playing just about as good as ours.
(http://www.baseball-reference.com/bullpen/Dave_Trembley)

[GeneGarberForPrez]

I can't quite figure out this whole Roy Halladay thing. The Blue Jays are at least 2 or 3 years away from contending in the AL East. I don't understand why they wouldn't get what they can for Halladay and be done with it. If they deal him, they relieve themselves of his salary for a year and a half, plus they get some talent back that can maybe help them in a few years. If they don't deal him now and get the draft picks after he becomes a free agent, they have to wait quite a bit longer for that talent to develop. Plus, taking quality AAA talent in a trade now takes out some of the risk of a high school draft pick not panning out.

Sure, Riccardi might not get what he thinks Halladay is worth, but compared to the alternative, I don't understand how he CAN't trade him before the deadline.l

[Dreamscape]

Well, while Halladay's value right now may never be higher, what about his value in the offseason when teams that are right now out of it might get into the bidding? I don't really think Riccardi needs to trade Halladay right now.

[CanadaBravesFan]

The Red Sox just traded for Adam LaRoche. That gives them Youkilis, Big Papi, and Adam for 1B and DH. I wonder if they have another move coming?

[absintheofmalaise]

The only time Ortiz will play 1B is in games against the NL.
They will platoon LaRoche and Lowell and move Youkilis to 3B when they do. They will also make the same move for defensive reasons late in games. Lowell is a statue. Big upgrade defensively and against RH pitchers.

[CanadaBravesFan]

The Red Sox just traded Lugo to the Cards for Duncan. They have a ton of OF/1B/DH now. What could they be up to?

[JanShan12]

The Red Sox just traded Lugo to the Cards for Duncan. They have a ton of OF/1B/DH now. What could they be up to?

Really? Wow! Duncan is having a terrible season and all of the STL radio stations and newspapers have been crying for his release. Strange moves from the Red Sox unless there is another deal on the way.

[absintheofmalaise]

Really? Wow! Duncan is having a terrible season and all of the STL radio stations and newspapers have been crying for his release. Strange moves from the Red Sox unless there is another deal on the way.
The Sox DFA'd Lugo. They were very lucky to have gotten anything for him. Duncan is being parked in AAA as OF depth in case of injury.
I do hope there is another deal on the way though. They could certainly use another bat.

[Middle Man]

Mark Buehrle with a perfect game. I tuned in for the 9th - pretty exciting. None other than our very own DeWayne Wise saved the day with an over-the-wall catch in the 9th.

[Hobbes]

Pretty cool. It's always those pitchers you don't expect.

Glad I had him in my fantasy lineup today.

[absintheofmalaise]

And the Sox just placed Kotsay on waivers. Too bad his greatest asset as a ball player is his wife. Still, he could be some decent insurance as a back-up OF and 1B.

[Dreamscape]

Expect to see former Brave Andy Marte get a callup at some point for the Indians. Despite the fact he's lost his prospect-worthy status, he is only 25 and was featured today on Baseball Prospectus' Minor League Wrap-Up after homering twice for AAA Columbus. The 174 (mostly underwhelming) game veteran is hitting .329/.367/.591 in the International League, mostly at third with a few starts at first. His 17 homers are impressive and this is the first time Marte has really dominated at AAA.

Just saying...

[JanShan12]

The Sox DFA'd Lugo. They were very lucky to have gotten anything for him. Duncan is being parked in AAA as OF depth in case of injury.
I do hope there is another deal on the way though. They could certainly use another bat.

Lugo and Holliday are in the starting lineup tonight for the Cardinals against the Phillies.

[CanadaBravesFan]

The Pirates traded their DP pairing today. Wilson to the Mariners and Freddy Sanchez to the Giants. Id hate to be a Pirates fan. They have traded Jack Wilson, Sanchez, Bay, Laroche, Snell and Mclouth in the last year. YIKES! :eek:

[luvdembravos]

The Pirates traded their DP pairing today. Wilson to the Mariners and Freddy Sanchez to the Giants. Id hate to be a Pirates fan. They have traded Jack Wilson, Sanchez, Bay, Laroche, Snell and Mclouth in the last year. YIKES! :eek:

Yikes is right. Why would a Pirate fan even want to attend a game?

[sdp]

Yikes is right. Why would a Pirate fan even want to attend a game?They're doing what they need to do--unfortunately for the fans and players, it's a long and painful process.

[luvdembravos]

But how long must their fans wait? The Pirates are about to have their 17th straight losing season, a professional sports record. The franchise just seems to be in a continuous do-loop of acquiring and developing young talent and then dumping their best players each year at the trade dead-line.

[Hobbes]

Yes, it's a pathetically-run organization. Fans are generally smart enough to understand near-term pain if they can see the long-term light at the end of the tunnel. There has been no indication of an end to that tunnel for Pirates fans. The team does not deserve the support of those fans.

[luvdembravos]

I guess Pittsburgh folks tolerate the Pirates' ineptitude because they always have the Steelers to fall back on.

[Lauren T.]

Yikes is right. Why would a Pirate fan even want to attend a game?
I'd go if Charlie Morton was pitching. :D

[CanadaBravesFan]

Well it looks like Manny and Big Papi took steroids in 2003, and are on the infamous "list". Why are the names being leaked 1-2 at a time? Its like someone wants MLB to fail by kicking the sports in the nuts at 2-3 week intravals.

[sdp]

Albert Pujols hit his FIFTH grand slam of the season today. Yes, he's hit FIVE grand slams in just this season alone. Unreal.

[Hillbilly]

Albert Pujols hit his FIFTH grand slam of the season today. Yes, he's hit FIVE grand slams in just this season alone. Unreal.

7 for 9 with 5 grand slams and 24 RBI with the bases loaded this year. Unreal, indeed.

[Hobbes]

The Yanks-Sox game is on the MLB Network, and Smoltz is getting knocked around. They showed a stat that through his first 7 starts lefties are hitting .397 off of him, and tonight they're hitting over .600 off of him.

Edit: And they knocked him out of the game. 3.1 innings, 8 ER. Ouch. It's not looking like a successful comeback for Smoltzie.

[Lauren T.]

The Yanks-Sox game is on the MLB Network, and Smoltz is getting knocked around. They showed a stat that through his first 7 starts lefties are hitting .397 off of him, and tonight they're hitting over .600 off of him.

Edit: And they knocked him out of the game. 3.1 innings, 8 ER. Ouch. It's not looking like a successful comeback for Smoltzie.
His ERA was over 7.00 going into this game; the 8 ER certainly doesn't help. Some local radio guys were saying today that Wren looks like a very smart GM over letting Glav and Smoltz walk.

[Andy G.]

Man it's hard to see Smoltz not pitching well. I hate it for him.

Hey Lauren, what's your take on the Prince Fielder incident. I know you like him. I think it was dumb to go to the Dodgers' club house like he did, but I thought it was stupid that he was hit in the first place. The pitch that hit Manny didn't even look like it hit him, and there's no chance it was intentional. I feel like the Dodgers need to be knocked down a peg after that. Hopefully the Braves can do that.

[Lauren T.]

Hey Lauren, what's your take on the Prince Fielder incident. I know you like him. I think it was dumb to go to the Dodgers' club house like he did, but I thought it was stupid that he was hit in the first place. The pitch that hit Manny didn't even look like it hit him, and there's no chance it was intentional. I feel like the Dodgers need to be knocked down a peg after that. Hopefully the Braves can do that.
1. Congrats on passing 5000 posts -- I just noticed that! :thumbsup:

2. ROID RAGE.

3. Seriously, though -- Prince has been around the game his whole life. He knows the unwritten rules. He got plunked in the leg -- not the hand or the head -- so it was clearly intentional-in-retaliation. Whether or not Manny was hit on purpose, it's a hit for a hit. That's just how it goes. Prince is the best player on the Brewers, so he was the chosen one.

SportSouth showed borrowed footage of Prince at the door of the Dodgers' clubhouse last night, with Braun and some other teammates trying to stop him and security NOT allowing access. Prince actually looked angry, and I really don't understand why. This isn't the first time he was HBP and certainly won't be the last. His reaction was over the top, and the TV camera catching the whole thing made it look a little fishy. TV cameras don't usually hang out outside the clubhouse, waiting for altercations... so part of me thinks it might have been staged. It really makes no sense otherwise. The son of a big leaguer would have been very clear on the retaliation rule before he ever got to the bigs and would understand it's not personal, it's just baseball. :rolleyes:

[sdp]

If you ask me, Prince just wanted to make a headline. It looked like a big act to me. The little "security guard" outside the Dodgers' clubhouse should have been no match for him if he really wanted to go inside there an open up a can.

[luvdembravos]

If you ask me, Prince just wanted to make a headline. It looked like a big act to me. The little "security guard" outside the Dodgers' clubhouse should have been no match for him if he really wanted to go inside there an open up a can.


I'm with you. It looked like WWE to me.

[absintheofmalaise]

Smoltz DFA'd today. An inglorious end to a great career.

[Andy G.]

1. Congrats on passing 5000 posts -- I just noticed that! :thumbsup:

2. ROID RAGE.

3. Seriously, though -- Prince has been around the game his whole life. He knows the unwritten rules. He got plunked in the leg -- not the hand or the head -- so it was clearly intentional-in-retaliation. Whether or not Manny was hit on purpose, it's a hit for a hit. That's just how it goes. Prince is the best player on the Brewers, so he was the chosen one.

SportSouth showed borrowed footage of Prince at the door of the Dodgers' clubhouse last night, with Braun and some other teammates trying to stop him and security NOT allowing access. Prince actually looked angry, and I really don't understand why. This isn't the first time he was HBP and certainly won't be the last. His reaction was over the top, and the TV camera catching the whole thing made it look a little fishy. TV cameras don't usually hang out outside the clubhouse, waiting for altercations... so part of me thinks it might have been staged. It really makes no sense otherwise. The son of a big leaguer would have been very clear on the retaliation rule before he ever got to the bigs and would understand it's not personal, it's just baseball. :rolleyes:
I hadn't even realized I past 5,000 posts. Thanks. :D

You're right. Prince has no excuse, and it is confusing why he would behave that way. The whole thing was weird.

I'm tired of the Dodgers and Manny Ramirez though. I used to like Manny. Now I can't stand him. The Dodgers act like they're the best team in the history of baseball, and I don't know why you need to retaliate in a blow out game when the pitch that hit Manny was obviously an accident. They're just bullying the Brewers at that point.

[Wahoo]

I hadn't even realized I past 5,000 posts. Thanks. :D

You're right. Prince has no excuse, and it is confusing why he would behave that way. The whole thing was weird.

I'm tired of the Dodgers and Manny Ramirez though. I used to like Manny. Now I can't stand him. The Dodgers act like they're the best team in the history of baseball, and I don't know why you need to retaliate in a blow out game when the pitch that hit Manny was obviously an accident. They're just bullying the Brewers at that point.

I agree with you Gilley...err...I mean Andy. Manny and that whole team are a bunch of pompous d-bags. The theatrical antics Manny employed on that pitch which barely grazed his jersey were eerily reminiscent to his antics back in 2003 in that Yankees-RedSox brawl. I am tired of him. He's a liar, a quitter, and a cheat. And then he, the Dodgers, and the media act is if he's just so likable. It makes me want to vomit. How people can like him really makes no sense to me. And, granted, I know I dislike a lot of professional athletes, but seriously, how can anyone who isn't a Dodgers fan like this guy?

And then for Russell Martin to say "oh, it was a unity thing." Is just absurd. We all know the unwritten rules of baseball. But you have to be the world's biggest asshat to think that they Manny intentionally in that situation (86mph, grazing his jersey, with a runner on).

So yeah, Prince was in the wrong about his actions, but he most definitely wasn't in the wrong with his feelings. He caught a 95 mph fastball on the thigh, which is entirely different from the Manny situation. He got unjustifiably plunked.

And then, the next day, Manny coincidentally sits out the game? Yeah, he's a pansy, just like Mota and the rest of the Dodgers. I hate the Dodgers and I hope those magnanimous bastards get destroyed in the playoffs again this year.

[luvdembravos]

Nicely put Wahoo. I don't understand why so many Dodger fans idolize this guy either.

Oh, and I see you're warming up for football season and the return of Tom Brady. ;)

[wordslayer©]

I cannot stand Ozzie Guillen. He has to be the worst manager in baseball, and maybe the worst I've ever seen.

You would have to be dumb to hire him, but to keep him and not fire him, you should have your own wing in the retarded hall of fame.

I don't think that Pinella is the worst manager in baseball, but he's another one that I can't stand. I can sort of see how it is that Pinella gets a job, but how Ozzie keeps one, I will never know.

[Wahoo]

Nicely put Wahoo. I don't understand why so many Dodger fans idolize this guy either.

Oh, and I see you're warming up for football season and the return of Tom Brady. ;)

LOL. Indeed.

Actually, my disdain for him has waned a bit. Maybe it's because he missed an entire season. I still think he's a disingenuous guy who happens to be a good football player, but as it currently stands, the hate for him is not raging. It's at a light simmer.

[luvdembravos]

Rumor has it the Phillies are contemplating replacing Moyer with Pedro in their rotation.

I'm glad we still have 9 games left with them and have been thinking lately that our chances of overtaking them in the division are better than getting to the playoffs via the wild card.

[Dreamscape]

I cannot stand Ozzie Guillen. He has to be the worst manager in baseball, and maybe the worst I've ever seen.

You would have to be dumb to hire him, but to keep him and not fire him, you should have your own wing in the retarded hall of fame.

I don't think that Pinella is the worst manager in baseball, but he's another one that I can't stand. I can sort of see how it is that Pinella gets a job, but how Ozzie keeps one, I will never know.
I can't stand Mike Scioscia. Maybe it's because I see a little Bobby Cox in him. Obviously, he has the wins, but he's had a lot of talent and a typically weak division. His continued playing for just one run would kill him if he didn't have better talent.

[sdp]

White Sox get Alex Rios. Straight up waiver claim--Blue Jays get nothing in return except his contract off their books.

[The Rap]

I think that's unreal but dictated by economics as the White Sox are now on the hook for Rios 60 million dollar contract. Man I wish it was because I like Rios' upside. On the other hand the WSox are going to let Jermaine Dye walk after the season and maybe he will be coming to us?

[bmitm76]

I think that's unreal but dictated by economics as the White Sox are now on the hook for Rios 60 million dollar contract. Man I wish it was because I like Rios' upside. On the other hand the WSox are going to let Jermaine Dye walk after the season and maybe he will be coming to us?

The only way i would want Dye is on a one year deal with lots of incentives and maybe a team option for a second year. The guy is getting up there in years and is brittle. Plus I think that Schafer can still be Atlanta's future in Center and McClouth and Heyward need to have chances at the Corners next year.

[Chris_Moderato]

What's up with Youkilis charging the mound, throwing his helmet, bear-hugging the pitcher, then getting spun around and dropped on his ass (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RN49k3jcSho&feature=related)? Seriously, if you charge the mound and end up on your back, you should be suspended.

[sdp]

What's up with Youkilis charging the mound, throwing his helmet, bear-hugging the pitcher, then getting spun around and dropped on his ass (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RN49k3jcSho&feature=related)? Seriously, if you charge the mound and end up on your back, you should be suspended.

Porcello whipped his ass and I was glad to see it. Youkilis thinks too much of himself and Porcello wasn't even trying to hit him.

[luvdembravos]

Porcello was running away and still body slammed him. LOL

Red Sox players can't do anything right these days.

[bmitm76]

If I'm Youk I don't ever want to have to face Porcello again. The guy owned him. Youkilis needs to hit the gym. Getting taken down by a 20 year old rookie pitcher is something that he's not gonna live down.

[Andy G.]

What's up with Youkilis charging the mound, throwing his helmet, bear-hugging the pitcher, then getting spun around and dropped on his ass (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RN49k3jcSho&feature=related)? Seriously, if you charge the mound and end up on your back, you should be suspended.
Agreed. When Youk ran at Porcello, he was just like, "Dude, we're grown men. Are we really gonna fight?" then Porcello ends up slamming him and Youk ends up getting choked out on the bottom of the pile. Awesome.

[luvdembravos]

Charlie Morton's line yesterday: 1.0 IP 10 R 10 ER 3 BB

Yikes! Pirate fans must be loving that trade.

[Hobbes]

No pitcher should be left in long enough to give up 10 runs in one inning, unless of course you aren't trying to win the game.

[Lauren T.]

He did go into the second inning, but didn't record an out. If I remember correctly, he gave up 7 in the first and 3 in the second before he was pulled. :(

[Dreamscape]

Well, Morton had looked pretty decent if I recall correctly.

Until yesterday...

[Lauren T.]

I've been keeping tabs on Charlie and watching his starts on MLB.tv when I remember to tune in. He's practically turned into the Pirates' ace, and his stuff has occasionally been spectacularly nasty. He's had the problem of going three or four shutout innings then collapsing. It's a mental issue, not a physical issue. In interviews he says he is still working on his confidence, but I'm starting to wonder if it's more of an anxiety issue.

[Lauren T.]

The AJC just can't stop talking to Frenchy. This one (http://www.ajc.com/sports/atlanta-braves/francoeur-adjusts-to-life-116447.html)'s actually a good interview, though.

[HaRdCoReBrAvEsFaN]

I hope Jeff keeps his play up for NY this season...then after he get's more then he should in arb he can go back to being the Jeff we traded...

[Hobbes]

It seems like he truly harbors no bad feelings (except about the demotion) and has a good outlook. Good to see he's not burning any bridges.

[KB 34]

Good for Francoeur and I'm glad he's gone. The Braves are much better off without him and I've noticed all the concerns about him, his potential, and playing for the Mets have died out with the Braves playing better.

[Hobbes]

He talks about how great it is to be hitting 5th, but he'd be much further down the lineup if all the Mets' good players weren't injured.

[luvdembravos]

First, let me say I don’t think any college player or amateur is worth $ 15M but from what Boras was reportedly trying to get for Stephen Strasburg, the Nationals fared pretty well (4 years/$15M) last night IF Strasburg turns out to be the dominating pitcher many say he’ll be.

But I think MLB should put a cap on salaries and bonuses of unproven talent and allow teams to trade their draft picks just like the NFL does.

[Dreamscape]

Baseball is in a tougher place than NFL or NBA because their players can, and often do, choose not to sign and remain an amateur. I'm trying to think of a system that works. A cap would hurt teams with a high first rounder that lost one or two Type A free agents. You're talking about possibly two-to-three first rounders and a pair of compensation first rounders. On the other hand, a defined slot bonus system also hurts you because if a player drops because of concerns of signability (like Jason Heyward did), you can't go over your slot bonus to sign him. But then, maybe if there was a more defined system, you would see players not drop because of their signability and the top players would go to the top teams.

The draft is really screwed, but I'm very happy Strasburg signed with the Nationals. At its most basic form, a draft system is supposed to make the worst teams better. Granted, they have to draft well and have some luck as well, but top ten picks have a good chance for success, better than those who follow, and had the Nats missed on Strasburg, it would have been bad for baseball. I doubt I'll get a chance to see him for Potomac play against the Hillcats in Lynchburg, but that would be nice.

[luvdembravos]

As of last night, the Nats haven't decided where they'll place Strasburg in their minor league system but I'm also hoping he plays for Potomac as I'd definitely make the 20 minute* drive to see him play.

(*20 minutes on a good day ... 2 hours during rush hour :) )

[HaRdCoReBrAvEsFaN]

for there sakes I hope there smart enough to at least give him a full year in the minors....there not going anywhere anytime soon so they should give him him all of 2010, and then if he's ready look into bringing him up mid 2011...

[luvdembravos]

Recent word from the Nationals is that they’ll send Strasburg to Florida to get him back into pitching shape. He’s also likely to participate in the Arizona Instructional League this Fall.

I’m guessing that if Strasburg does well in Arizona and really impresses in spring training, he’ll be on the Nats opening day roster in 2010.

[Rynliquid]

I didn't really notice this until tonight, but apparently the Rangers called up Neftali Feliz a while back.

So far he's only putting up a 0.77 ERA with 4 hits, 0 BB, and 17 Ks in 11.2 IP.

Yes, it still hurts.

[Hobbes]

Yes, it still hurts.
That one player might bother me more than any other player we dealt away.

[BigWorm]

The Mets are really going through it. Santana is experiencing elbow pains and probably needs surgery. It reminds me of the Braves season last year. Murphy's Law.

[luvdembravos]

The Mets are really going through it. Santana is experiencing elbow pains and probably needs surgery. It reminds me of the Braves season last year. Murphy's Law.

No kidding. The Mets would be smart to shut him down for the remainder of the season which wouldn't bother me since we have 6 games left with NY in September.

[Hobbes]

The Mets are really going through it. Santana is experiencing elbow pains and probably needs surgery. It reminds me of the Braves season last year. Murphy's Law.
It's official.

Santana to have elbow surgery, done for season (http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/9981652/Santana-to-have-elbow-surgery,-done-for-season)

The Mets said Tuesday that Santana will have arthroscopic surgery to clean up bone chips in his left elbow. The team said his expected to ready for spring training next year.

[Dreamscape]

Former Brave Ron Mahay was designated (http://www.kansascity.com/sports/story/1403897.html) for assignment by the Royals.

[Lauren T.]

Today's live chat with MLB Trade Rumors (http://www.coveritlive.com/index2.php?option=com_altcaster&task=viewaltcast&altcast_code=22f654e70d&width=470&height=550&replay=y) calls McCann the best catcher in the NL. There are some other goodies in there, too.

[CanadaBravesFan]

Rich Harden, Aaron Heilman, and Trevor Hoffman have all apparently been claimed on waivers. (tsn.ca)

I would love a shot at getting Harden, but so would all the other teams

[Dreamscape]

Andy Marte, all of 25 years of age, is starting to finally hit major league pitching like many expected him to. In 22 games since his callup, Marte has hit .289/.349/.461 and is on the heels of a ten game hit streak and three homers in five games. He's playing first base for the Indians regularly.

[wordslayer©]

Andy Marte, all of 25 years of age, is starting to finally hit major league pitching like many expected him to. In 22 games since his callup, Marte has hit .289/.349/.461 and is on the heels of a ten game hit streak and three homers in five games. He's playing first base for the Indians regularly.

This is good to hear. I was a real believer in him and I hated to see him leave the organization. I hope he goes on to have a good career.

[luvdembravos]

Speaking of former Braves propsects, Adam Wainwright just notced his 16th win of the year and is definitley in the mix for the NL Cy Young award.

[Chris_Moderato]

Speaking of former Braves propsects, Adam Wainwright just notced his 16th win of the year and is definitley in the mix for the NL Cy Young award.

Yeah, but we won the 2004 World Series, so Wainwright can eat it.

[The Rap]

Man the way Chipper is playing I wish we could get Marte back and groom him.

[luvdembravos]

Authorities just identified the dead body found on Chipper's ranch...turns out it was Chipper ;)

[Dreamscape]

Dayton Moore exercised his option for 2010 and was given a three year extension (http://kaegel.mlblogs.com/archives/2009/08/royals_to_extend_gm_moores_con.html). Almost surprising considering the Royals' place in the divison, though I think Moore is better than the win-loss record will indicate.

[luvdembravos]

Extending Moore was not a popular decision with Royals fans (all 126 of them).;)

I was a huge Dayton Moore fan 3 years ago but not so much now...I'd rather have Wren.

[Dreamscape]

Extending Moore was not a popular decision with Royals fans (all 126 of them).;)

I was a huge Dayton Moore fan 3 years ago but not so much now...I'd rather have Wren.
I have no problem with that, though I'd say Wren has it much easier than Moore does. Moore has to build an entire organization whereas Wren had to improve an organization on the downswing, but hardly one of the worst.

[luvdembravos]

Congratulations to Derek Jeter for tying Lou Gehrig's record tonight. I despise the Yankees but could never say a bad thing about Jeter... He's always been a class act.

[Dreamscape]

Alex Rios and his $60M contract hasn't looked so hot for the White Sox. Though not a trade, so far the Blue Jays are coming out winners.

[Lauren T.]

Just saw this on TWiB -- Prince Fielder's walk-off home run last Sunday. Hilarious!! http://mlb.mlb.com/media/video.jsp?content_id=6511913 :thumbsup:

[IkeWagner]

Will Tim Lincecum win another cy young this year? Should he?

[JanShan12]

I think so, but Carpenter and Wainwright are putting up great numbers. Trouble is, they'll probably split votes between them since they're teammates and the award will most likely go to Lincecum.

[Hobbes]

Cy Young voters love wins, and all other stats seem to be secondary to them it seems. So I wouldn't be surprised to see Wainwright and his 18 wins get it, even though others have better all-around stats.

[IkeWagner]

Cy Young voters love wins, and all other stats seem to be secondary to them it seems. So I wouldn't be surprised to see Wainwright and his 18 wins get it, even though others have better all-around stats.

Isn't it funny that one of the worst indicators of performance is used so heavily to decide the best pitcher in the league.

[Hobbes]

Isn't it funny that one of the worst indicators of performance is used so heavily to decide the best pitcher in the league.

You would think that with the statistical "enlightenment" in recent years voters would have come to realize that wins are a poor indicator of pitching performance, but when it comes to the vote that doesn't seem to be the case.

[Hillbilly]

Mlb.com has an article up discussing the pros and cons of expanding the rosters in September (http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090920&content_id=7060926&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb). This portion caught my eye:

"Braves manager Bobby Cox believes that Major League Baseball could adopt a rule allowing clubs to carry an extra pitcher or two in April. He says this could reduce the stress placed on arms and possibly reduce the amount of pitching-related injuries a club encounters during the season."

Yes, that's OUR Bobby Cox serving up a plan to reduce overworking of pitchers. To be fair, I think he's referring more to starters, but Moylan, O'Flaherty, and Gonzalez still have to be scratching their heads...

[Hillbilly]

...with their non-pitching hands.

[Lauren T.]

Charlie Morton tossed his first career shutout (http://bit.ly/FB3Fb) yesterday against the Cubs -- only 4 hits.

[Chris_Moderato]

Charlie Morton tossed his first career shutout (http://bit.ly/FB3Fb) yesterday against the Cubs -- only 4 hits.

They were probably distracted by his gorgeous emo eyes...

;)

[Lauren T.]

Did anyone catch Ausmus managing for the Dodgers yesterday? video recap (http://bit.ly/hb0Iq) I love it. Do you think Bobby would have let one of our guys manage, if the last game of the year didn't matter?

[-Dr. Brave-]

I'd let Tim Hudson try it.

[Chris_Moderato]

Anyone watching Twins/Tigers? They're in the 12th, tied 5-5. Great game.

[Middle Man]

Heck of a game, guys! Now, get on the plane and fly to NY.

[Lauren T.]

That was a fantastic game. Go Joe!

[Middle Man]

That was a fantastic game. Go Joe!

It really was a great game and it was great to see such a huge crowd that was really into it.

Joe who? Mauer? You just have a thing for catchers.

I admit I know nothing about the Tigers' bullpen situation, but it must not be too good. I couldn't believe they left (former R-Brave) Zach Miner in there as long as they did. He was obviously struggling. Although I was sort of pulling for the Twins, I felt bad for him. I couldn't remember how he ended up in Detroit so I checked - part of the Farnsworth trade.

[luvdembravos]

I loved the close-up shots of the relief pitchers in the late innings. Talk about anxiety. They were taking deep breaths and/or licking their lips from dry mouth as if the entire season depended upon their every pitch --- and it did.

[Middle Man]

I loved the close-up shots of the relief pitchers in the late innings. Talk about anxiety. They were taking deep breaths and/or licking their lips from dry mouth as if the entire season depended upon their every pitch --- and it did.

Yeah, even Nathan, who knows he's just about the best there is, looked like he was really feeling it. It kind of makes ya want to go to a 1 game series format. To heck with November baseball - let's finish by October 15th. :D

[Lauren T.]

Joe who? Mauer? You just have a thing for catchers.
Well yes, but there isn't a better catcher in the AL than Joe Mauer. And he's so cute - how could I not cheer for him!

[absintheofmalaise]

Well yes, but there isn't a better catcher in the AL than Joe Mauer. And he's so cute - how could I not cheer for him!
You need to change AL to baseball. McCann is good, but it's not even close. You could even make an excellent argument that he's the best player in the game because of the position he plays.

[Lauren T.]

I never said McCann was better, and I don't think Mauer is better than Pooholes. I wrote carefully.

[Hobbes]

I never said McCann was better, and I don't think Mauer is better than Pooholes. I wrote carefully.

I think Absinthe was just using your comment of best catcher in the AL as a springboard for his statement that he thinks he's the best in MLB, and possibly the best player overall considering position. I don't think he was criticizing your statment.

[Lauren T.]

Sorry, then. I took it personally because he quoted me and used the pronoun "you" twice, which made it sound like a criticism towards me and not a personal statement (in which I would assume he would use "I" instead of "you").

[absintheofmalaise]

I wasn't criticizing you Lauren. I didn't take what you said to mean that you thought McCann was better. I just included McCann because he's the best catcher in the NL.
I only think that you could argue that Mauer is the better player overall because of his position and the league he plays in. If you're going on just offense and didn't factor in which league, then yes Pujols is God.

[bravos4evr]

I gotcha on the Mauer argument. It's kinda like how Grady Sizemore( when he was really playing his best) had more value than Pujols because he put those numbers up as a CF'er and it's harder to replace even 75% of those numbers than it is to replace 75% of Pujols at 1st base. But head to head Pujols is the better player.

I got in a huge argument about this on DOB's blog. Nobody seemed to be able to understand what I was getting at....

[Hobbes]

I got in a huge argument about this on DOB's blog. Nobody seemed to be able to understand what I was getting at....

Well when you are arguing with folks who use stats like RBI and Wins to evaluate players, you're not going to get far with a relatively subtle argument.