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BFH
11-17-2011, 06:13 AM
MLBTradeRumors did a contest...which I didn't enter, but oh well. I'll chop off the names that have already signed and go from there.



1. Albert Pujols - Cardinals. Lots of folks predicting he returns to the Cardinals, but I'll explain anyway. Very few players are the personification of a franchise. Like Derek Jeter was to the Yankees, Pujols is to the Cardinals. The scary difference...is that Pujols actually deserves this new deal. Ultimately, the Cardinals can't afford to let Pujols leave. They'll step in at the last second and make sure they win the bid.

2. Prince Fielder - Cubs. Theo Epstein isn't the GM of the Cubs...but I'm pretty certain he'll let Jed Hoyer know that he doesn't care if Prince Fielder is "fat". An OBP of .400+ in three straight seasons makes him the kind of player I feel Epstein and Hoyer will want to build the Cubs around. An over the top bid will likely get it done.

3. Jose Reyes - Brewers. What do you do when you lose your fat slugging 1B? Infuse the team with some dynamic speed and set Ryan Braun up for a monster RBI season. With Fielder leaving, the Brewers will have some money to burn...and why not add the marquee free agent shortstop? He and Weeks will create a dynamic 1-2 punch at the top of their lineup.

4. C.J. Wilson - Angels. I stated my opinion in a thread in the Braves forum, but I expect Wilson to land out west. He just seems like a good-weather lover and I can't imagine him--all things equal--choosing to move northeast if LA is an option. That said, the Angels can't do much on their offense and will likely be content with waiting for Kendry Morales' return. Adding Wilson to their rotation will allow them to stick it to the Rangers AND close the gap at the same time.

5. Yu Darvish - Nationals. I'll go out on a limb and say the Nats win this posting bid. They have Strasburg coming back, as well as Zimmermann. They just re-signed Wang and have Lannon on the back end. Grabbing Darvish to pair with Stras would boost their rotation from good to great on paper and help them take a couple of strides towards running down the Braves and Phillies in talent.

6. Edwin Jackson - Rockies. Colorado needs experience in their rotation and after restocking their system with the Ubaldo trade, Jackson is a guy I feel they may take the risk on to anchor their young rotation and provide some solid innings.

7. Jimmy Rollins - Phillies. I don't see a reason for him to leave and I don't see a reason the Phillies won't give him at least 3 years on a deal.

8. Aramis Ramirez - Marlins. They won't land Reyes...or Pujols...or Darvish...or any of the other big name free agents. I just don't think they can make guys believe Miami will suddenly change the franchise's past history in tearing down the structure and rebuilding on the fly. Aramis, though, seems to just be after money and job security. The Marlins could provide both for a couple of years.

9. Carlos Beltran - Braves. I'll bite on this one and get on the bandwagon. If he doesn't sign with us, I can see him landing in Boston to be their right fielder.



11. Michael Cuddyer - Twins. Not so much on the level of Pujols being everything for the Cardinals, but Cuddyer likes Minnesota and I think there are enough question marks surrounding Mauer and Morneau's health statuses that re-signing Cuddyer makes sense for the Twinkies.

12. Mark Buehrle - Marlins. He's the one guy Ozzie Guillen never threw under the bus in Chicago. I can see him going down to Miami and following Guillen to warmer weather to try and make a winner out of Ozzie's first season in Florida.

13. David Ortiz - Red Sox. I just can't imagine Big Papi leaving Boston. His swing is just designed for that stadium. I know he and the management got into a war of words, but I think when all is said and done, the Red Sox will try to keep their longtime DH on a reasonable 2-year contract.

14. Ryan Madson - Marlins. As I said...I don't think they'll land any of the big name free agents they are lusting over right now. Madson may not be the marquee name in free agency...but he's the top reliever available now that Papelbon has signed. The Marlins may do something stupid with their money and replace The Pither Formerly Known As Leo Nunez.

15. Hiroki Kuroda - Dodgers. He basically blocked his way into staying in LA last year, he won't consider pitching anywhere else. The Dodgers will re-sign him to ensure they have a veteran behind Kershaw to give them innings.

16. Carlos Pena - A's. He was there once...and he just seems like a Billy Beane type of player. On a one-year deal, I can see him going back there to try and post a strong HR total to net a bigger deal.

17. Francisco Rodriguez - Rangers. This is the winter they'll move Neftali Feliz to the rotation and K-Rod will allow them to do that without sacrificing the bullpen depth in front of the closer role. Mike Adams and Uehara will remain in more suitable setup roles and continue to shorten games for the Rangers.

18. Roy Oswalt - Yankees. After missing out on C.J. Wilson, the Yankees get desperate and give Oswalt a lot of guaranteed money to make AJ Burnett an afterthought.

19. Javier Vazquez - Tampa Bay. Kind of think the Rays may look to trade James Shields this winter in an attempt to land their cather of the future--perhaps one of Grandal or Mesoraco of the Reds. Once Shields is gone, I can see them offering Vazquez a one-year deal to hold down the middle of their rotation behind Price and The Hell Lick.

20. Heath Bell - Padres. He'll accept the arbitration offer and return to San Diego--whether or not he signs a long term deal is another question.

21. Coco Crisp - Nationals. They've been after a centerfielder for a while and I think they could help each other out here.

22. Hisashi Iwakuma - Twins. A strike-throwing control-artist of a starting pitcher. That screams Minnesota Twins.

23. Kelly Johnson - Blue Jays. Something tells me he stays in Toronto. I don't think the D-Backs/Blue Jays would've made that swap last summer if they didn't each want to keep their respective players.

24. Josh Willingham - Giants. After we steal Beltran from them, they'll resort to other offensive options. Willingham should sign affordably enough for their liking.

25. Paul Maholm - Royals. They need a veteran and I can see Dayton signing Maholm in the same light as he signed Gil Meche a few years back.

26. Grady Sizemore - Marlins. Miami continues a spending spree by guaranteeing Sizemore a lot more money than they probably should--perhaps over a two-year span. At this point they are spending just to spend and not even attempting to spend their money wisely.

27. Bartolo Colon - Blue Jays. They missed on every other free agent and I think they've seen Colon enough this year to feel comfortable in signing him to fill out the back end of their rotation.

28. Erik Bedard - Red Sox. I can see him sticking around in Boston to round out their impressive rotation.

29. David DeJesus - Indians. On a one-year deal he should have enough upside for them to take the low-risk chance on him.

30. Jason Kubel - Rays. Didn't have a strong year, but he's been a solid hitter in the past. Defense issues probably dictate him staying in the AL...and the Rays seem like they could be willing to throw a few million at him to be their DH.

31. Ramon Hernandez - Indians. Bucking against the grain here. The Indians have Carlos Santana, but I really do feel they want to keep his legs fresh. They'll have him spend more time at 1B with Hafner DH'ing after they sign Hernandez.

32. Jeff Francis - Padres. Cheap addition to a young rotation that lacked an experienced veteran last year. Seems like a decent fit to me.

33. Chris Capuano - Pirates. They need to go cheap to fill out their rotation and Capuano might just be cheap enough to do that.

34. Tsuyoshi Wada - Blue Jays. Yet another name to fill out their rotation.

35. Clint Barmes - Cardinals. He seems like the Cardinal type. Scrappy, defensive player. After going big on Pujols, they'll have to skimp here to fill out their roster.

36. Casey Kotchman - Rays. They obviously like him and are pleased with his production. What's another few years to play some D and get a few big hits here and there?

37. Freddy Garcia - Orioles. Cheap veteran addition to add to their stable of young starters.



39. Johnny Damon - A's. Beane loved him back around the time Moneyball was written...but not enough to pay premium price to keep him. He's not the same guy who left so many years ago...but he's still good enough for Beane's purposes of DH'ing everyday.

40. Aaron Harang - D-Backs. They have a need for a veteran starter to eat some innings for them. They'll probably regret this one, but desperation makes you do dumb things.



42. Rafael Furcal - Pirates. Since the Cardinals couldn't spend the required money to keep Furcal, the Pirates swoop in to grab him on a one-year deal.

43. Juan Pierre - A's. Beane hates paying premium price for speed...but Pierre won't make premium price. They'll hide him in left field.

44. Frank Francisco - Mets. LMAO. That is all.

45. Jason Marquis - Mets. He's stated he likes New York. The Yankees ain't signing him...so he'll sign with the Mets to be a back of the rotation guy.

46. Joel Pineiro - White Sox. After losing Buehrle, they'll need to fill out the rotation somehow.

47. Jonathan Broxton - Reds. They let Cordero walk because of the price. I can see them giving Broxton an incentive-laden deal to close.

48. Joe Nathan - Red Sox. Yeah...I know they have Daniel Bard, but can Boston really resist adding a big name with a history of success on what can only be considered as a bargain price for what he's able to provide? Personally, I don't think so.

49. Kerry Wood - Cubs. No brainer here, he's signing with the Cubs.

50. Bruce Chen - Royals. Not sure why he'd leave Kansas City. He owes them, they owe him. No one else believes in him in all likelihood.


And to make up for some of the names that were cut out because of the early signings.


Derrek Lee - A's. Beane continues a small spending spree in signing Lee to be his everyday 1B.

Yoenis Cespedes - Cubs. Theo Epstein will probably urge Jed Hoyer to spend the money once it's confirmed that Cespedes is the real deal.

Vlad Guerrero - Mariners. They need some pop offensively and adding Vlad to DH for them might be a decent way to do so.

Francisco Cordero - Mets. I don't know if they'll stick with Parnell. Cordero could help them at the right price.

BFH
11-17-2011, 04:31 PM
Just realized I put the A's getting both pena and derrek lee. If I had to guess i'd say lee lands in in pittsburgh while pena goes back to oakland.

I need to stop doing these things at 1 in the morning.

Wahoo
11-17-2011, 09:11 PM
Pretty savvy predictions though I say no way Beltran lands in Atlanta . I think Reyes lands in Miami. Would LOVE Cuddyer in Atlanta but agree that he stays in Minnesota. I think Boston lets Papi walk and replace him with Kubel.

The Rap
11-18-2011, 01:04 PM
Well written and thought out. I would love to get Beltran but do you have anything that indicates he has a possibilty of coming to us? I also don't want to burst your bubble my friend but too many times in the past deals were made that no one saw coming.

I disagree with Wahoo as Ortiz is as identified with Boston as Cuddyer is with Minnesota and Kubel woukld be a downgrade which would turn off the fan base.

BFH
11-18-2011, 02:06 PM
Well written and thought out. I would love to get Beltran but do you have anything that indicates he has a possibilty of coming to us? I also don't want to burst your bubble my friend but too many times in the past deals were made that no one saw coming.

I disagree with Wahoo as Ortiz is as identified with Boston as Cuddyer is with Minnesota and Kubel woukld be a downgrade which would turn off the fan base.

On the former, thanks. I don't have any indication that Beltran will land in Atlanta. But like you warn me of other predictions and deals coming out of nowhere the Beltran situation could play out in such a manner. I don't even expect to hit the mendoza line on these. Just something I used to do that I'm trying again this winter. Back then I used to try and guess contracts too...which is a pretty fruitless endeavor.

On Ortiz/cuddyer. I agree that both mean too much to their respective fan bases to allow to leave. I expect both to stay put...but again as you said anything can happen.

The Rap
11-18-2011, 06:32 PM
Well word here is that the Red Sox are very interested in Beltran and that the Yanks might be too. Personally, the other guy who intrigues me is Grady Sizemore who if healthy gives us even more than Beltran. If Bourne leaves Sizemore can move over to CF which Beltran can't. Like I wrote my dream would be;

Sign Beltran or Sizemore
Trade Jurrjens to the Orioles for JJ Hardy
Keep Prado

Our team would look like this;

c McCann
1B Freeman
2B Uggla
ss Hardy
3b Chipper
of Sizemore, Bourne, Heyward

SP Hudson
SP Hansen
SP Beachy
SP Minor
SP Teheran

Mid R/spot Starters; Delgado and Medlen
Closer; Kimbrell
SU; Johnny, Eric and Aroldys Vizcaino

Bench; Prado, Hinske, Jack Wilson, Ross, a LH hitting OF

I would be very comfortable if we went into this season with this team.

bravos4evr
11-18-2011, 07:22 PM
I'll play along Rap:

In my "perfect" scenario the Braves trade JJ to the Angels for Maicer Izturis, Kaleb Cowart (3B prospect)and Jeremy Moore (toolsy OF prospect)

They trade Prado for Dexter Fowler (who they put in LF and to backup CF)

They sign Edgar Renteria for a song to backup SS , and 2b.

They avoid the urge to grab another vet pen arm and go with the kids.

They sign Mark Derosa to also fill in on the infield.


Bourne
Fowler
Chip
Mac
Uggla
Freeman
Heyward
Izturis

Rotation

Hudson
Hanson
Beachy
Minor
Teheran/Delgado

Bench
Ross
Hinske
Diaz
Renteria
Derosa

Pen

Kimbrel
Venters
O'Flaherty
Medlin
Vizcaino
Varvaro
Martinez

I like the bat that Derosa brings spelling Chipper (and hopefully he won't get hurt off the bench). I like Renteria as a bench threat too as he's shown the ability to come off the bench and perform. I like Izturis at SS for a year or two. I really like Folwer in LF, though he won't put up monster numbers there, he will do good up near the top of the lineup cuz he gets on base and will slide right into CF in 2013.

I think this team would score a ton of runs and would give the Phillies a run for their money!

BFH
11-18-2011, 07:44 PM
Posting from my phone so its rough trying to quote and select what I'm responding to so forgive me for replying as such.

Rap: regarding the beltran rumors. I also read that they have interest in Beltran. It's more than just regional rumor. In fact, the latest I had read about those situations were that the Yankees were going to bypass Beltran and just keep Swish and the Red Sox had not contacted him or his agent. While we're on the topic...the Marlins are a real threat since they won't land Pujols or Reyes. They could overpay for Beltran just to do something "splashy". Yet...this early in the offseason I think we have just as good a chance as any team to sign him.

The Rap
11-19-2011, 09:10 AM
Nick, I like what you wrote with two concerns;

1. Look how many moves you want us to make and compare it to mine which is only two and then ask yourself what the Braves, and basically any other team, usually do.

2. From what I have read all over the place the Rockies don't want to trade Fowler simply because his upside is so great.

Bryce, I wasnt questioning your baseball integrity when I asked that question. I was just curious if you heard something I missed.

bravos4evr
11-19-2011, 01:36 PM
It really doesn't matter how many moves you make, as long as when the dust settles you have what you need.

BFH
11-19-2011, 06:42 PM
Bryce, I wasnt questioning your baseball integrity when I asked that question. I was just curious if you heard something I missed.

No offense was taken. I was merely noting that you seemed to have stated the Beltran for Boston/New York rumors were more of a "around here" regional news than it was mainstream. Perhaps I read your statement too literally. The rebuttal was more a statement of what the latest news I had come across to give you more information as to why I feel there's no real frontrunner for his services yet and why I felt he could still land in Atlanta. The latest news I had read somewhat shoots down the rumors that he's likely to head to either destination...at least as of the moment. It's still very early.

The Rap
11-19-2011, 10:50 PM
True but Beltran's cousin is the super of my building and has become a good friend and he believes Carlos is coming to NY

The Rap
11-19-2011, 10:52 PM
It really doesn't matter how many moves you make, as long as when the dust settles you have what you need.

True but my point is that most teams, if not all, tend to makie fewer moves.

BFH
11-19-2011, 11:12 PM
True but Beltran's cousin is the super of my building and has become a good friend and he believes Carlos is coming to NY

I wouldn't put much stock in that, though. I'm gonna be honest and it's no offense to your friend/Carlos' cousin, but he's got jack for insight on this topic. He knows no more than the media knows...and I'd actually believe the media more so than him. Only Carlos and his agent have any idea what's going on...and until there are real negotiations going on for him to sign with the Yankees or Mets, I wouldn't expect him to head back there just yet.

...and frankly, if he's a New York Yankees/Mets fan, I would expect him to say Carlos is heading back to New York in some capacity. Everyone and their uncle's best friend's wife's gardener's sister's dog walker's brother expects their ball player relative to "come home" or closer to them. Mostly because they personally want it...not because it's the truth.

Again, that's not a knock on Carlos' cousin. It's just the truth. Unless Carlos is bunking up with him and he's listening in on phone conversations with Beltran, his agent and the teams contacting him, I don't put his word any higher on my list of news than what's already been printed elsewhere.

bravos4evr
11-20-2011, 06:19 PM
Honestly, why would they want Beltran? Seems to me Swisher provides equal offense for less money and is healthier... doesn't make much sense for the Yanks IMO.

BFH
11-20-2011, 07:05 PM
Honestly, why would they want Beltran? Seems to me Swisher provides equal offense for less money and is healthier... doesn't make much sense for the Yanks IMO.

I'm sure the overzealous Yankee fan's take would be for the Yankees to DH Beltran to keep his legs fresh, then to swap him in all across the outfield to allow Gardner/Granderson/Swisher to rest their legs. Then to allow Teix to DH while Swisher plays 1B and Beltran plays right. Of course, that's the Yankees fan's dream scenario.

In addition to that, in support of Beltran potentially landing in Atlanta or anywhere other than Boston/New York. I do recall a blurb about Beltran wanting to play the field around the trade deadline and reportedly narrowing his suitors down to N.L. teams only. I can't imagine him wanting to go somewhere where he'd have to DH on a regular basis.

The Rap
11-21-2011, 01:58 AM
Whatever. How about Jason Bartlett as a stopgap SS? The Padres want to deal either him r Hudson but hudson's contract is mucho higher. Bartlett didnlt have a good year last year but still has some pop and he did steal 23 bases. I also heard he is a very good fielder.

BFH
11-21-2011, 02:16 AM
Whatever. How about Jason Bartlett as a stopgap SS? The Padres want to deal either him r Hudson but hudson's contract is mucho higher. Bartlett didnlt have a good year last year but still has some pop and he did steal 23 bases. I also heard he is a very good fielder.

I looked into it a lot last night but came to the conclusion I'd be disappointed in such a move. Bartlett is going to make $5.5M. I'm not certain he has all that much pop. He hit 2 homeruns last year. As proof that it wasn't just PETCO, he also hit 4 the previous year in Tampa. The year he hit 14 really did seem like an apparition. He had never hit more than 5 in any other year, so I wouldn't count on him producing a 10+ year any time soon.

Aside from that, he also posted just a .615 OPS last year. As you said, it was a down year...but the year before he posted a .675. Discounting his .879 season, his previous two years before that were .690 and .699.

It's conceivable he could post a .700 and be solid offensively...but he just seems like a light-hitter at this point.

As for defense, UZR suggests he has been below average for 3 years now--really bad two years ago. If you like Defensive Runs Saved better, he was -8 last year and 2 and 4 the years before that. Overall, I'd say he's average to below average on any given year.

The Rap
11-21-2011, 02:08 PM
Thx Bryce. I just picked out his name and wanted to know if he was viable. I also looked at hos numbers last night and it was that one great year that stuck out like a sore thumb.

Middle Man
11-22-2011, 05:02 PM
I predict Nathan will go to the Rangers so that they can finally move Feliz back to the rotation.

Andy G.
11-22-2011, 06:07 PM
I predict Nathan will go to the Rangers so that they can finally move Feliz back to the rotation.
Wrong. That will never happen. :p

bravos4evr
11-22-2011, 06:17 PM
I think the Rangers are making a mistake here. What happens if Feliz proves ineffective as a starter? What happens if Nathan is merely passable as a closer?

I'm never a fan of robbing Peter to pay Paul when it comes to pitching. It's better to keep the guy who you KNOW does a good job at said job then go out and get a starting pitcher to fill THAT job. Maybe this will work out just fine, but if I was GM, I wouldn't have made this move.

Dreamscape
11-22-2011, 09:26 PM
Remember that they did the same thing with C.J. Wilson so maybe they can build upon that.

bravos4evr
11-23-2011, 01:38 AM
Well, I hear ya, but Feliz was a hotshot prospect coming in. If Nathan turns into Nathan of the first half of last season.... Then what?

It mat turn out okay, but that strategy of pitching improvement has never thrilled me.... Not unless you are making a starter with 2 great pitches into a closer. Then it makes more sense.

The Rap
11-23-2011, 05:22 PM
True but Feliz was always considered a hot prospect as a starter and only pitched relief based on the team's need. I doubt Texas didn't do a thoroughexamination of Nathan. The took two good relievers and made them solid starters so why not Naftali?

GeneGarberForPrez
12-04-2011, 10:12 PM
Jose Reyes to Miami (http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20111204&content_id=26090230&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb), 6 years and 106M. Hanley Ramirez, we hardly knew ye. Second, RF, or out the door?

BFH
12-04-2011, 10:26 PM
Jose Reyes to Miami (http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20111204&content_id=26090230&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb), 6 years and 106M. Hanley Ramirez, we hardly knew ye. Second, RF, or out the door?

The idea was to move him to 3B. We'll see how happy he is about that.

bravos4evr
12-05-2011, 02:06 AM
I think they may end up having their hands forced into trading him...